Thanks Michel well at least 20 is not so many ,I was late getting up today I fell back to sleep. Your daughter and you do look perplexed, Glad you worked it out in the end. I think what I called a castle in Salzburg was really a fortress, I get them mixed up, we saw so many. Your two grandchildren are delightful but we grandparents would think them so anyway. Not always when they get older though they get very preoccupied with their own affairs, then you dote on the Greats. As all mine married very young I was an early grandmother. Didn't you think Salzbug was a delightful place?. You must find it easier to visit than us from Australia one of the reasons I was sorry I emigrated. Still as I believe in fate I guess we had to help populate Oz with our own 4 ,12 Grandchildren and I am not sure at moment of how many greats although I think the next one due in August will make it 13 or 14. Not that I have seen any for a long time. My family is not a close one much to my disgust, I only had a lot of children as I only had 1 brother 8 years older and Matt was an only child. We imagined ourselves the heads of a large family. Some Hope, even a phone call is difficult for some. Cheers Marjie.